Monday, November 09, 2009

The feminist burden

Here is a very jaundiced view of men and marriage. It asks me some questions so best I answer them;

Lindsay
You are a traitor to the female gender and it gets you some nice misogynist fans and might even pay quite well. Most women who disagree with your points of view do not even speak because of the consequences like loss of career mariage leading to impoverishment etc. Only women who promote vicous victimisation of their own gender are comfortable enough to speak out. They have some ardent male fans.
Just incase you are unaware Lindsay if children are left alone a woman can be jailed for neglect. How do you suggest single mothers pay the childcare fees to avoid this problem. The fathers of their children are not asked to contribute yet often sit on the sidelines and slag off the mothers of their own children who are required by law to provide 24 hour care.
Yes it might be a sensisble idea financially for women to marry before they have children but I think you will find most single parents have been married and are divorced.
According to a Herald poll more than 40% of men have been unfaithfull to their wives and about 16% of married women have cheated. They failed to mention though that wives infideity is usually a revenge affair after discovering a husbands affair.
We get this constant bullshit that men are just different and women are forgiving but the truth is the consequences for a mother having an affair are the end of her marriage and life long impoverishment unless she gets another ( cheating bastard ) husband. Wronged women bury their
anger to keep a roof over theirs and their childrens heads but they shouldnt have to.
Do you think women should put up with infidelity Lindsay please tell me.
You talk about their being less poverty when mothers get off welfare but what are their lives like? Studies in the US show the average mother does about 50 hours housework per week. If you combine this with working say a minimum of 40 hours thats 90 hours per week and many mothers work sixty hours plus for pittance wages. Their children are often left alone. So what should women in the US and NZ do when their partners visit prostitutes, strip clubs, bash them etc Lindsay. The cause of female poverty is often abuse by husbands. If your husband cheats or beats you either put up with it or you pay for the rest of your life.
What sort of quality of life do mothers have working 24/7. They might have a little more moeny but most compalain of complete physical exhaustion. They have no quality of life as is the same for many married mothers doing the same thing. Marriage is not something I would even think about. Its just slavery for many women Lindsay.
I know many mothers who come home from work and start doing the housework while their husband minds the kids. They work untill midnight and dont even get time with their own children. The husband and children have a slave cleaner. Women putting up with this is nothing to do with childrens welfare if all they actually do is work cook and clean.
We are constantly lectured by capitalists that women should sacrifice for children.
Well if they live miserable impoverished overworked lives then their daughters will too. The only benefactors are men.


First, my welfare reform advocacy is unpaid. I have only ever once been paid for my writing. I pay to promote my ideas. I suppose I could even buy into the nonsense of foregone earnings because of spending so much time on welfare research and writing. But I won't because that's my choice.

I have no obligation to the female gender by virtue of being one. Such a blind loyalty would demand a far greater 'sacrifice' than any other the writer rails against. A sacrifice of honesty because all women are not all right all of the time.

Many of the people who read this blog, like myself, have happy and enduring relationships. Believing there are problems with welfare, and the DPB, does not make one a misogynist. To the contrary. It usually accompanies a belief that men and women should rely more on each other, do more for each other, instead of depending so heavily on government assistance.

I wouldn't rely on a Herald poll as an accurate representation of how much infidelity can be accorded to either sex. But no, it shouldn't be tolerated if it hurts one partner very deeply. If a short period of assistance was required to exit a relationship I can live with that. But for how long does the 'help' go on before it becomes a destructive crutch or a weapon to use against the ex? And how many men walk away for the primary reason that the state will fill their shoes?

Poverty levels for single mothers in the US have been (recently) fairly steady but are still lower than before the reforms. Obviously many ex beneficiaries will be in low paying jobs but working for a living has many other upsides beyond income levels. In particular, the children form an expectation that working for a living is expected.

Most people on the DPB have not been married.

Childcare is quite heavily subsidised. The subsidies increased under Labour. The tax credit system was designed so that a single mother would always be better off working. There is a shortage of childcare which is ironically, in part, a result of the female workforce being reduced by over-reliance on benefits.

If women are doing housework until midnight every night they have some sort of obsession. The whole idea that women are slaves to children and men is pathetic. I suspect the writer is clinically depressed and projects her experience on the rest of her gender because misery loves company. In fact, if she really believes this stuff she is better off alone.

19 comments:

Lucia Maria said...

To believe that marriage is slavery for many women is to have a low sense of the worth and value that mothers provide in a marriage. I've met many women who do not believe they are valued as mothers - but in reality they project their own lack of value of themselves onto others.

brian_smaller said...

You seem to be getting a lot of attack emails recently from teh left Lindsay. You must be pissing them off.

brian_smaller said...

I must remember that domestic slavery thing when I am painting the house, the roof, being used to carry heavy things around, move furniture, fix doors, fix bikes, cook dinner, chop firewood etc etc. Fuck, I should be paid for all that stuff.

Oswald Bastable said...

50 hours housework a week!

When- 1860?

James said...

I must remember that domestic slavery thing when I am painting the house, the roof, being used to carry heavy things around, move furniture, fix doors, fix bikes, cook dinner, chop firewood etc etc. Fuck, I should be paid for all that stuff."

Amen brother!And who is it thats dying earlier again?No doubt worn out doing all the heavy lifting.

;-0

Anonymous said...

She rails against misogyny but spews misandric bile seemingly oblivious to the hypocrisy.

Anonymous said...

A womans lot is never done.

Dirk

Anonymous said...

A consistent advocate of individual rights and liberty will sometimes be told she is an advocate of patriarchy and the enslavement of women from the Left and told she is trying to destroy the God-sanctioned family from the Right. If the loony Left and the Religious Right both hate you, then you are doing something right.

James said...

"A womans lot is never done."

Until hubby gets home on Friday night with the deluded idea he can now relax for a couple of days.

;-0

Anonymous said...

If women are doing housework until midnight every night they have some sort of obsession. The whole idea that women are slaves to children and men is pathetic. I suspect the writer is clinically depressed and projects her experience on the rest of her gender because misery loves company. In fact, if she really believes this stuff she is better off alone.


This is just personal attack without any basis in reality.
I will set up my own website with the facts and figures. Seems your only arguement is to impune my charactor. Well its obviously pointless my bothering to post here. You are fixed in your mistaken beliefs.

Anonymous said...

And you have the nerve to talk about freedom then suggest that women with no money will have to stay in marriage. While there may be some alternative those alternatives are often not very nice. I don't see any freedom for these mothers you want to force into marriage. Sounds like rape or at the very least sexual coercian. And our men know all about exploiting poor women. Look at the huge numbers of NZ men who have been on sex tours of countries where women are forced into prostitution through poverty. Where are their morals? I'm tired of hearing their vicous voices condeming mothers. Those men hold no appeal to me. I only feel disgust at their hypocracy and greed.
I have even had a member of the nats admit to me that women are slaves. Even a chauvanist can see it Lindsay.

Anonymous said...

Brian

"I must remember that domestic slavery thing when I am painting the house, the roof, being used to carry heavy things around, move furniture, fix doors, fix bikes, cook dinner, chop firewood etc etc. Fuck, I should be paid for all that stuff."

"Amen brother!And who is it thats dying earlier again?No doubt worn out doing all the heavy lifting."


One reason men used to die earlier
was that in years gone by it was mainly men who smoked and once you remove the smokers the figure comes right down. Infact one recent study found that its now solo mothers that are getting sick and dieing early. The trend is reversing quickly.

Apparantly there is a new trend of women buying tools and hardware because they are sick of waiting years to get hubby to do a damned thing. If you do your bit thats something and may explain why you are currently married.

"Until hubby gets home on Friday night with the deluded idea he can now relax for a couple of days."

Its tough but women are not getting any weekend breaks either. People are working too many hours.

Most men don't care less if their wives get no break so my sympathy is limited. They are only concerned about their own hunting fishing rugby, music, dope, friends
pornography etc.
I guess the wives can go shopping which is actually just another exhausting job but the only outing a lot of mothers get and unless they have help it entails the kids. Not really a break is it.

Many men expect their partners to help with their projects like painting etc but refuse to return the favour.

Even holidays are cooking cleaning and childminding. At retirement age women get no retiremet and are often caring for elderly relatives, their aging hubbies and still working part time then if there is any spare time they are helping their daughters with the huge burdens of work they have. So increasingly older women are working 24/7 also.

Bluging cows are saving the country billions in care but god forbid anyone give anything back for all that sacrifice.

Another cruelty that many men commit is deserting their chronically ill partner.
Women with MS are usually (not always) dumped by their husbands and I was talking to a female cancer patient whos male doctor informed her to expect her partner to leave her within 6 months of diagnosis as he had seen this happen so often and thats precisly what happened.
My generalisations do not apply to all men but a big number of them which is probably why there are so many women requiring the DPB.

One of the main reasons for the increase in DPB numbers is that many women are caring for elderly relatives providing care that would other wise cost the state a vastly larger amount. Ofcourse they are working for a pittance but I don't see any blogs offering these women thanks. Theres not even a thankyou from men for the vast amount of work women are now doing.

brian_smaller said...

Anonymous - you are really a sad character and I suspect you have been mistreated. Not all men are that bad. I see my marriage as a partnership. I cook five nights a week, collect kids frolm school and look after home repairs and so on. Wife does tend to do all the washing, but it isn;t like she is going down to the river to beat the clothes on rocks. She throws them into a machine and presses some buttons. Few hours later it takes ten minutes to hang the clothes out. You need to find a decent guy instead of projecting yoru hate on us all.

Lucy said...

Anon you are mad. Quite mad. How else can you explain your need to give someone else (a man or whoever) absolute control over what you think and who you are.

KG said...

"They are only concerned about their own hunting fishing rugby, music, dope, friends
pornography etc."

Nice company you keep, Anon. And why don't you at least get a nom de plume? Posting as "anon" is inconvenient for other commenters and smacks of cowardice.

brian_smaller said...

"I guess the wives can go shopping which is actually just another exhausting job but the only outing a lot of mothers get and unless they have help it entails the kids. Not really a break is it."


I do most of our shopping and have done it with the kids as a matter of choice. Used it as opportunity to teach them how to shop.

Anon - you really do hang with bad men.

Anonymous said...

Brian

Some kiwi guys do their bit but as I said most don't.
Imm standing up for women becuase this blog ios promoting doing away with the domestic purposes benefit.
Im just saying why its neccessary and actually should be the right of all mothers.

This blog and lots of men hypocritically come down really hard on solo mothers yet when I stand up for the truth you tell me Im a man hater and bitter.
I'm not going to allow you people to denegrade mothers and financially enslave them simple.

So you say you help your wife but as I said lots of men don't do this.
If you and your wife splitn you would probably do your bit re the kids but the vast majority don't and that is what I'm talking about.
So lets not be personal here.

Lindsay Mitchell said...

Anon, Can't you see that the DPB also makes women victims? There are men who are happy to sponge off women who have a regular income and a roof over their head, as meagre as they may be. Those are the most attractive things about her. These young women are typically uneducated, unskilled, and consequently quite powerless. That is one subset of DPB recipients. The one that DPB reform would help the most.

Another is looking for short term assistance to bridge the gap between a relationship breakup and re-establishing herself with either work or a new partner. I don't oppose that.

As for 'financial enslavement', the best way to avoid that is education. And most women are doing just that. In fact, they are outperforming men. That's the way to financial independence - not through a welfare lifestyle which will just keep women poor, uneducated and vulnerable.

Lindsay Mitchell said...

Oh, and I have one more thought I want to express to you. If you are raising children, boys or girls, what is your world view teaching them?